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Monday 11/07/05

Important: The film described below is available on DVD at quite a reasonable price compared to the VHS dubs that have been going around for years. Also, be sure to see the updates at the bottom of this blog entry for the truth about the film.

On an August morning in 1978, French filmmaker Claude Lelouch mounted a gyro-stabilized camera to the bumper of a Ferrari 275 GTB and had a friend, a professional Formula 1 racer, drive at breakneck speed through the heart of Paris. The film was limited for technical reasons to 10 minutes; the course was from Porte Dauphine, through the Louvre, to the Basilica of Sacre Coeur.

No streets were closed, for Lelouch was unable to obtain a permit.

The driver completed the course in about 9 minutes, reaching nearly 140 MPH in some stretches. The footage reveals him running real red lights, nearly hitting real pedestrians, and driving the wrong way up real one-way streets.

Upon showing the film in public for the first time, Lelouch was arrested. He has never revealed the identity of the driver, and the film went underground until a DVD release a few years ago.

Now, thanks to the miracle of the Internets, you can watch it in your browser.

Update: It's been posted to the MetaFilter front page and the original server where the video is hosted (not mine) has apparently taken it offline. Here's a torrent posted on the MetaFilter thread by Civil_Disobedient. You can also watch it at Castpost or get it from one of the mirrors put up by Something Awful users (1 2) or the Coral cache.

Update the Second: The MetaFilter thread raises the possibility that the car was not actually a Ferrari but Lelouch's own Mercedes (the audio from the Ferrari would have been overdubbed) and that Lelouch himself was the driver, but was only given a ticket, not arrested. Also there's the tantalizing tidbit that the only lookout was a confederate posted at the Louvre with a walkie-talkie -- which afterward turned out to be broken. One poster in the Something Awful thread claims Lelouch admitted to being the driver (years later) and although he was given a ticket, the mayor of Paris tore it up. Another poster claims it was actually shot on a motorcycle. What are the real facts? The urban legends surrounding the film are nearly as interesting as the film itself.

Update the Third: An interview with the film's DVD distributor Rich Symons seems to settle the issue of who the driver was once and for all: it was Lelouch. According to IMDB, Lelouch was driving his own Mercedes and the sound was dubbed later. Apparently the film is now being used as the music video for Snow Patrol's song, "Open Your Eyes."

Re: C'etait un Rendezvous

There are 163 messages in this thread, displayed in the order they were posted.

Daniel Talsky 11/7/2005 12:34:13 PM Pacific

Thanks man, that was really cool.
Richard Anderson 11/7/2005 1:18:19 PM Pacific
Fan-Ferrari-tastic!
shelley 11/7/2005 5:15:48 PM Pacific
I'm sure you meant "thanks to the Internets."

Even so ... some very cool stuff. Were birds harmed in the making of this film?
;)

Jerry Kindall 11/7/2005 5:17:37 PM Pacific
Yeah, there were some close calls on the birds, weren't there?
Brian Grieve 11/9/2005 11:18:25 AM Pacific
WOW....i think i want to buy a Ferrari 275 GTB.....thanks for bringing this back to life again

Brian

Harvey K-Tel 11/9/2005 1:17:29 PM Pacific
Fantastic footage! The sound is incredible as well.
Jerry Kindall 11/9/2005 1:18:33 PM Pacific
"Harvey K-Tel" is one of the best pseudos I've ever seen. (It helps that I was just watching "Reservoir Dogs" last night, of course.)

Shelley: Thanks for catching that, I've corrected it. ;)

yomama 11/9/2005 3:35:17 PM Pacific
He should be shot for putting people's lives in danger. Period.
Jerry Kindall 11/9/2005 3:36:27 PM Pacific
Yeah, well, I guess the French authorities disagreed with you 27 years ago. *rolls eyes*
Don McArthur 11/9/2005 4:40:53 PM Pacific
I'm guessing from the traffic that this was run at about 6:00 am, mid-week.
Mike B 11/9/2005 5:19:33 PM Pacific
Thanks. That brought me back to the Rad Racer days. Really puts that whole Hausmannization thing into perspective.
Grayson 11/9/2005 6:35:38 PM Pacific
I actually have a videotape of this -- and it looks fairly professional, dating back to the 1980s. It never fails to amaze me whenever I watch it. Thanks for the link.
Keith 11/9/2005 7:40:05 PM Pacific
Good lord. While I was watching it, I kept thinking of how much it looks like Burnout3, a game in which the object is to cause spectacular crashes at obscene speeds.

I did a lot of inadvertant swearing while watching this film.

Roto 11/10/2005 7:43:23 AM Pacific
Amazing. I would like to see this done today with a 575M.
Warbaby 11/10/2005 9:27:17 AM Pacific
I saw this at the Ann Arbor Film Festival in 1979. The entire audience was straining back in their seats like they were in the car. Wow!
snifflets 11/10/2005 10:51:08 AM Pacific
Does anyone have a mirror for this site? It appears the server streaming the movie times out after about only 1 minute of footage...
fraise 11/10/2005 10:58:08 AM Pacific
I doubt the overdubbing hypothesis since the film itself begins with: "le film que vous allez voir a été réalisé sans aucun trucage ni accéléré," which translates to "the film you are about to see was made without special effects or fast motion."

(From someone in France who much enjoyed being taken back to Paris! Although I enjoyed the flashbacks to being broadsided by people running red lights a little less... ;) )

Steve 11/10/2005 11:16:40 AM Pacific
Does anyone have a copy of the clip? It seems to have disappeared from the server.
Jerry Kindall 11/10/2005 11:17:36 AM Pacific
Use any of the FOUR different ways to download it found in the first Update.
snifflets 11/10/2005 12:24:43 PM Pacific
Does anyone have a mirror for this site? It appears the server streaming the movie times out after about only 1 minute of footage...
Jerry Kindall 11/10/2005 12:31:04 PM Pacific
Use any of the FOUR different ways to download it found in the first Update.
Civil Disobedient 11/10/2005 12:58:34 PM Pacific
Hi there. Just wanted to give you another update... I Google-Mapped the route taken since a lot of people expressed an interest.

http://www.renegadetourist.com/rendezvous.html.

Don't know how long my bandwidth will hold out, so I took a screen grab:

http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/5098/rendezvousgmaps6ez.jpg.

Keith 11/10/2005 1:42:22 PM Pacific
That Google Map is really cool. Thanks!
snifflets 11/10/2005 2:23:58 PM Pacific
Does anyone have a mirror for this site? It appears the server streaming the movie times out after about only 1 minute of footage...
Arcas Adamantane 11/10/2005 2:54:06 PM Pacific
I have videotaped from the dash of a speeding car and viewing the video after, it feels a lot faster than when you are really there. That was at a height of the dashboard. Placing the camera at or near the ground intensifies the experience and it appears one os going even faster. If you watch the vieeo again, but place a piece of paper on the bottom half, and concentrate on the upper portion, you will see the street scne going by as if you were in taxi.

Not impressed -but technically well crafted to use techniques to shape experience.

ps. shifting gears not laigned with motion of car

Civil Disobedient 11/10/2005 6:26:44 PM Pacific
The Google Map now has waypoints with image stills from the film. Also, the imageshack link above has an erroneous extra quotation mark at the end of the link (in case anyone was having problems with it).
Robert 11/10/2005 6:36:38 PM Pacific
The audio seems to be aligned with the video to me... it's a little difficult to see when he is shifting, as he does it rather quickly and the car seems to have a pretty stiff suspension.

I think we can safely say that it is not shot on a motorcycle, as motorcycles lean as they go around corners. The audio doesn't match a motorcycle at all, if it is the original audio.

Jerry Kindall 11/10/2005 7:04:51 PM Pacific
Not so much an extra quote mark at the end, CD, as a missing one at the beginning. Fixed. Sorry for screwing up the HTMLification of your link.
Julius 11/11/2005 12:28:51 AM Pacific
The distance from the first roundabout to the second roundabout (the Arc D'Triomphe) is about 4000 feet roughly, and he covered that distance in 40 seconds. That translates to about 68 mph.

The second straightaway (along the Champs Elysee) is about 7000 feet long, and he covers that in a minute. So he's doing about 80 mph on that. Respectable for a surface street, but nowhere near 140 mph.

RobHoi 11/11/2005 2:56:47 AM Pacific
It was a car. You can see the headlights in a window at 00:03:46
Franci 11/11/2005 3:44:03 AM Pacific
I guess it was pretty impressive for that time. Since the streets were pretty empty, I don't think anybody was acctually in danger and I don't think it was very fast. The nicest thing about the movie is the ending.
Some time ago I saw a truly impressive and fun movie shot from two different cars - Dodge Viper and some japanese sports car. It was taken in Stocholm. The ride is longer - about 40 minutes, I think. The movies offeres four different camera views - inside the care (so you can see shifting...) and outside from both cars. All four files together were about 500 MB, if I remember right.
Unfortunately I don't know where you can download it. A friend of mine still has the thing on his comp.
rollexx 11/11/2005 4:31:51 AM Pacific
it's called: "getaway in stockholm"
check it out on google or:

http://www.getawayinstockholm.com/

u can even download trailers

Eric 11/11/2005 4:48:22 AM Pacific
Hello there!

Well, let's put a different opinion in teh debate: I don't really believe that this is true. I get the feeling we're being fooled here. Just look at the difference in speed with the cars you overtake. For sure it is faster than the 40/50kmph but for sure not up to 140 miles ph (which is 240kmph).

The biggest trick in this movie - in my opinion - is the fact that it is shot from a very low position at the bumper (giving you the impression that it's going quite fast) plus the fast that the sound is very impressive (and super to listen to!). But if you just switch off the sound, you'll get a completely different experience. Just try that!

But well, I might be totally wrong but thi is what I believe...

Cheers,
Eric

emf 11/11/2005 4:29:27 PM Pacific

The second straightaway (along the Champs Elysee) is about 7000 feet long, and he covers that in a minute. So he's doing about 80 mph on that. Respectable for a surface street, but nowhere near 140 mph.

80mph is 130kph. The units the maximum speed was reported in were wrong. It's not as
impressive as many of the other videos of this type; the Getaway in Stockholm series, or even
the chase sequences in Ronin, but it invented a genre

DTrain 11/11/2005 5:09:20 PM Pacific
Nope I just did some quick math and from 171s to 189s of the film he covers about 1100 meters, the car is travelling at roughly 61.1 meters per second or 220 kph or about 137 mph.
wonton 11/11/2005 7:46:57 PM Pacific
here is web page that does a study of distance and time.
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/Rendezvous.shtml
judge for yourself.
wonton
Dean Esmay 11/12/2005 1:40:52 AM Pacific
No way it's a motorcycle. They lean when they turn, as said above. And, why think it's a Mercedes? What, the director lies and switches cars? Whatever for? A Ferrari is low to the ground and has a very tight suspension, and they're known not just for being very fast, but also for being able to stop astonishingly fast, and to turn on a cat's whisker. In other words, you'd be SAFER doing something like this in a Ferrari than most other vehicles.

Most who've drive a Ferrari agree that its handling is simply superb, and that the real danger of it is not that you can't stop, but because it purrs along so much like a contented kitten that you lose perspective and have no idea how fast you're really going.

Which points to me what probably is the best trick the film uses--and which would by the way NOT take away from the director's claim to not have used any special effects or editing: he almost certainly did something to the sound baffling in the car to make that engine so loud.

Normally, Ferraris are famous not just for their incredibly light and easy handling at high speeds, but also for the fact that they are NOT loud. They purr like a tiger kitten or hum. They do not blare out rude obnoxious noises like that unless you've intentionally done something to make them do that.

Which would make perfect sense from the director's perspective, because (1) it adds to the drama, and (2) you can use the noise so PEOPLE WILL HEAR YOU COMING. This is obviously why he shifts into neutral and guns his engines when he's going into certain turns--BWOOOM HERE I COME! BWOOM HERE I COME!

This is also obviously how he cues the girl at the end to know just when to run out.

Marvelous work.

siragi 11/12/2005 3:06:32 AM Pacific
If you want to see some real driving check out the getaway movies (car) or the ghostrider (motorcycle)
tgimcbisco 11/12/2005 8:41:32 AM Pacific
the leaning factor doesn;t eliminate a motorcycle since the camera is gyro-stabilized anyways! though the headlight reflections and how it goes up on the curb around the garbage truck about 5-6mins in (not sure on timing, since i can't seem to get any info or adjust any settings on the source).
Jerry Kindall 11/12/2005 9:45:43 AM Pacific
There IS one spot where it sounds like there's an edit in the soundtrack, at about the six minute mark where he's just passed the garbage truck. I don't really know what to make of that.
Dean Esmay 11/12/2005 6:59:16 PM Pacific
I doubt if a 1970s gyrostabilized camera could compensate for the level and speed of tilt a bike would have. You can tell the suspension on that Ferrari is rigid. Besides, those old gyrostabilzed cameras were BIG and would likely cause severe performance problems on a bike.

Really, Occam's Razor says it's a Ferrari unless someone's got specific evidence to the contrary. Why would you think it's NOT a Ferrari? They are small, light, fast vehicles with exceptionally good performance, not just in speed but also in braking and turning. It's why they're so legendary.

Christie 11/13/2005 12:50:46 PM Pacific
@ DTrain - Sorry but your math is very poor, you're out by a factor of about 2.

You can look 2 exact points on google earth, and measure between them using the line tool. The two easiest points as he goes alongside the river are the pedestrian crossing at the corner of place de la concorde (2m46s) and the point where the tunnel on the left hand side of the car goes below ground(3m07s) - you can identify both of these on GE quite easily - the distance between then is almost exactly 700m, covered in 21s - which is around 33m/s, or 74mph.

Jerry Kindall 11/13/2005 4:46:41 PM Pacific
The claim was not that he does the whole trip at 140 MPH, but that he hits that speed on some stretches.
Erik Kennedy 11/14/2005 2:31:07 AM Pacific
Many things have been said, many fine, some rubbish: BUT: anyone who has watched racing before & can eyeball speeds (or who HAS raced before) will say that this is not only a car (what else!), but that this car is the lucky recipient of a fine, professional (if not totally balls-out) night of merry-go-rounding. Additionally, re loud/fast cars: you've never had a drive/ride in a proper car until you've heard how *loud* a properly powerful car is. Right? At least, it's always blown my tiny mind.

Any bloody damned fool can say this is nonsense; only Jacques Lafitte can punch you in the face.

Obosc 11/14/2005 11:38:26 AM Pacific
Hi folks, just some details I learned from M. Lelouch himself I met last june. The real car was not a Ferrari but a Mercedes. I am not sure of the model - maybe a 380 SL - but it was equipped with a flashlight on the roof. The noise was post-synchronised and according to Claude Lelouch it was a Ferrari engine.
But, maybe, he did not tell me the truth...
Christie 11/14/2005 12:05:41 PM Pacific
Actually, if you want to have some (geeky) fun, there's quite a bit of fun to be had with google earth measure tool, the film, and google calculator.

Jerry, I just chose that section as it was the part DTrain had mentioned showed the car moving at 140mph, and is one of the fastest sections of the film. With Google Earth (and a bit of time), I reckon you can pretty much prove the car never gets above 80.

Jon 11/14/2005 1:31:46 PM Pacific
Where does one actually download the film from?
Jerry Kindall 11/14/2005 1:37:57 PM Pacific
Use any of the FOUR different ways to download it found in the first Update.
Red 11/14/2005 2:30:48 PM Pacific
For more details see here. Don't stop reading, keep on to the end.
Jean-Francois 11/14/2005 3:32:29 PM Pacific
Ça a l'air super! Super écoeurant, comme on dit au Québec!
Martin 11/14/2005 7:44:16 PM Pacific
You can tell that it most certainly is not a motorcycle, because there are many point in the film where you can see the reflection of *both* headlights in windows along the street. Also there are times when the back end of the automobile was obviously sliding sideways in controllable oversteer. Why would a motorcycle need to mount the curb to get past the garbage truck of the side of Montmartre? Why would the camera need to be gyro-stabilised? If it was firmly strapped to the hood, or in front of the grill, you'd get much the same effect. Anyhow, gyro stabilisation would make the camera twist up or down when the automobile made hard and sudden left or right turns. If the film camera was also used to record the sound, then of course the noise from the front engined Ferrari would seem to be very loud.
Jennas 11/15/2005 12:58:32 AM Pacific
What's the point and what's so fucking cool about it? Fucking idiot, I hope he crashed and killed himself in a second try. The day any of you morons have a family member killed in the streets by a reckless driver I assure you that you'll reconsider the coolness of this event.
Jerry Kindall 11/15/2005 1:11:46 AM Pacific
What's so cool about it?

1) The vicarious thrill of an excessive rate of speed.
2) Paris as it was two and a half decades ago in a beautiful morning light.
3) Skillful driving.
4) The soundtrack.
5) The ending.
6) Nobody actually got hurt, a sign of astute planning and amazing luck.
7) The urban legends that have sprung up around the film.
8) The first film of its kind.
9) One long take with no edits.
10) The almost subliminal clanging of Lelouch's GIGANTIC BRASS TESTICLES.

That's just off the top of my head. If I thought for a while longer I could probably come up with half a dozen additional reasons it's cool. You must not have been trying very hard.

This film, of course, should not exist, which is precisely what makes it so extraordinary. Yet because it was made, no one need ever repeat the stunt. What in the world would be the point?

I have to say, though, I'm happily astonished to see it took a whole eight days before someone dropped the "you morons sicken me" turd into the punchbowl. It took MetaFilter only a couple hours to reach that point.

Rippley 11/15/2005 1:05:38 PM Pacific
Thank you very much for finding and reviving this excellent movie. I've never managed to watch the whole thing, but when I finally figure out how to download it, I will thoroughly enjoy it.
A couple of things to add agree with in the debate:
1) That ain't no damn bike.
2) That ain't no damn mercedes. At least I seriously doubt any streetable Merc from that era would be able to do that kind of driving.
3) I'm not gonna get into the the whole speed debate (clearly I am waaaaay out-geeked on this one, and by geek I mean really cool people who can do math, which I am entirely incapable of) - suffice to say he seems to be driving very fast. Even if he's just doing 80mph, thats still very fast in an open urban setting. He clearly knows what he's doing. I drive racecars, albeit not professionally, and I certainly recognize skill when I see it. Controlled oversteer on dodgy, changing surfacing, in a rearwheel car with no electronic aids. Even at 50mph that would be impressive.

Now, Nissan did a revival of this in connection with the launch of the 350Z a couple of years ago. They did it in Prague, and they had the route blocked off and safe. Nevertheless, I would love to see the damn thing. If you have "The Run" as I believe it was called, please make some noise.

Uncle Jim 11/15/2005 4:53:13 PM Pacific
The movie is real - missed shifts and all. Get over it.

The driving was not horribly dangerous. When visibility wasn't good, he slowed down. When it was, he didn't. Get over it.

The movie is available on a nice DVD direct from Spirit Level Films. It looks even better on a big screen with a good A/V system. Buy it.

The Nissan movie is also fun, with lots of different views and angles. I have seen it before on EBay; it's probably available somewhere. I have a copy that I won't sell!

Phil 11/18/2005 5:43:31 AM Pacific
When watching the movie you get the impression that he is not traveling at a really high speed, but that is because we are accustomed to video game speeds, like burnout for instance.

They are faster than reality.

I am an amateur race driver and we made some videos for ourselves and what comes out is that you always think you are really slow when whatching the video.
Get over it.

This movie is real.

federico 11/18/2005 8:25:51 AM Pacific
hallo

I cannot see the movie , my Quicktime says I don´t have the right codec and cannot find it in apple site.

what the hell1 I want to see the movie!

can someone help me?

thanx

Jerry Kindall 11/18/2005 8:33:51 AM Pacific
I imagine you do not have QuickTime 7. It's an H.264 file.
Paul Sands 11/20/2005 6:11:02 AM Pacific
couldnt give a shit if its a motorbike or a car, a ferrari or a merc with a ferrari engine.

Its still fuckin cool (h)

-P

QrazyQat 11/22/2005 7:17:30 PM Pacific
I've just watched this film, and it's not a Ferrari; the sound is dubbed. It seems likely enough, given the degree of suspension movement, to be a Mercedes of some kind -- ie. a reasonably good handling car, but not a sports car -- unless perhaps a "gentleman's" sports car like a 280SL. (Likely not a Matra IMO; I've driven the street Matra sports cars and I just doubt it.) We're not seeing a professional racer, not at the level of Formula One -- far too much wandering around, and too much braking when unneeded, or before it's needed. The car is going quite fast for the traffic, particularly in the later sections on narrow streets, but not nearly as fast as stated. Certainly not more than 100 mph -- I'd say the above estimates of about 80 mph are probably pretty good; possibly somewhat more on the wide streets at the early stages. The driver doesn't really get very close to any of the pedestrians, and slows a lot for most of them, although this is still dangerous since you don't know what people are going to do when you approach. Same for other cars -- he gives them a fairly wide berth, given the circumstances, but this is still dangerous because you don't know if they will move predictably.

Here's my background for saying all this. I have a great deal of experience driving far too fast on streets, and driving Ferraris and many other cars when I worked for the Ferrari distributor for the USA around 1970, as well as later when I worked for a California Ferrari dealer around 1980. I did, at times, drive very fast in heavy traffic, dangerously so (mostly because of that business of not knowing whether other drivers will get spooked and foolishly move into the way). I have, for instance, driven a Ferrari Boxer at 145 mph down a lane of traffic with lanes of stopped traffic beside me -- frankly, that's dumb. I have also driven in an impromptu street race (in a 246 Dino) at 100 or so during NYC rush hour with other cars doing about 40-60 -- also frankly quite dumb. Mind you, I was pretty good at it then, but that's not the problem -- others' reactions are the problem. At any rate I've driven many Ferrari 275 GTBs, including GTB/4s, as well as all the Ferrari models from the 1960s and 1970s except for the Superfast, the GTO, and the LM. This doesn't seem like any of those cars. It does seem like it could well be a Mercedes 280SL or sedan from that era (which I've also driven) -- probably not a Matra.

Bone-apart 11/23/2005 12:15:18 PM Pacific
Well, having read almost all the diferent comments, I would have to agree for the "80 mph +/-" estimate. I drive a bike and am well versed when it comes to overtaking cars, those stupid things with 4 wheels. this car never goes over the 100 mph barrier, no way. but this was not my point.

He took the long way round!!
i agree with avenue foch, but then up avenue de wagram after the arc de triomphe, then a right on boulevard de courcelles and on to boulevard des batignolles, then straight ahead arriving at place de clichy like the film depicts... never let a gorgeous blonde like thatone unattended to for too long in Paris mate, a biker might scoop her up before you've even off the periphérique!!!

cheers all, really appreciated your comments, but why not come over to Paris and walk out his path, it's really worth it on a nice summer morning, fresh croissants in one hand, flowers(freshly picked in one of the roundabouts, quite a variety believe me) in the other hand, romantic thoughts in your mind, going up to a sweet damzel still aslep in her bed,.....................where no biker can grab her..

LandRoverNut 11/23/2005 3:03:42 PM Pacific
Whilst I see the obvious danger pointed out by Jennas (& if you have a lost a family member to a reckless driver I am truly sorry for that - especially if the bastard reposnsible - or bitch if you please - was a drunk driver)

The point is though pedestrians are actually in much more danger from a distracted yuppie fuckwit in an large heavy SUV juggling a mobile phone, two screaming toddlers & a can of diet lilt than at any time in this film with your man here - who if you see driving - modifies style according to the circumstances. BTW - I look at pigeon's agility with a new reverence and respect!

The real point of this film & attraction for me is not it's myth, it's speed & menace - but it's sheer undiluted guts. In a world full of Silicon Graphics computer generated movie imagery, pretence, predictability, safety, litigation inspired warnings showered everywhere & on everything - here is 9 minutes of brilliantly architected, original, unauthorised, brave adrenaline rush.

Whilst if this were to be become a regular thing in cities with a bunch of knobheads trying to emulate what they had seen here in a beaten-up, souped up death trap whilst in posession of an empty head I would be really concerened.

As it is - it's extended risk taking boundary pushing & you HAVE to admire it - just like William Friedkin's car chase in French Connection I (that scene with the pram in FC1 was UNREHEARSED by the way) - irrespective of whether you like it or not.

I can't remember 9 mins of a movie that made my heart beat this fast in years & years & years & that is entertainment. Don't sterilise it - don't psycho-analyse it. No-one died (not even a pigeon) just bloody well enjoy it - it's a classic!

LandRoverNut 11/23/2005 3:13:04 PM Pacific
Oh sorry - don't want to be pedantic - but it was actually shot in 1976, not 1978

R

brewer 22 11/23/2005 3:15:52 PM Pacific
FFMO

Flat Freaking Moving On.

daniel hopkins 11/24/2005 2:24:39 AM Pacific
nice cars
hetster 11/25/2005 3:25:20 AM Pacific
yeah this is nothing compared to ghostriders first outing.
the guy has 4 dvd's out so far but this guy averages speeds of 190 mph. the upsalla run is amazing to watch. 47 and half miles in under 15 mins in rush hour traffic :-s
try searching for torrent or edonkey or do the guy a favour and buy the official dvd so we can get to see ghostrider 5
A K 12/2/2005 4:00:33 PM Pacific
What a complete and utter dick
cool 12/2/2005 4:01:34 PM Pacific
cool man
joe 12/2/2005 4:53:46 PM Pacific
The "technical reasons" the take was limited to ten minutes, as viewers of Alfred Hitchcock's "Rope" know, is that film reels were 1000 feet long, or about ten minutes (hence the early nickname for movies as "one reelers," "two reelers," etc.). Actually, 1000 feet can be more like 12 minutes, but it's rounded off in the retelling...
nick 12/3/2005 2:57:37 AM Pacific
i've linked it here: http://www.nothingbutnoise.org/download/rendezvous20_04.mov

n.

mick 12/3/2005 8:38:36 AM Pacific
I saw it 20 years ago: it was filmed from one of the first Kawasaki 1000... at 6 o'clock in the morning. Some streets were closed by men of the staff...
PenisEaters(nojoke!) 12/3/2005 12:30:16 PM Pacific
this makes my vagina wet
ThisGuy 12/3/2005 1:41:58 PM Pacific
Don't forget- if he does "x" feet in a minute, that gives you the average speed. If he starts at 30mph coming round a corner, and averages 80mph, it's fair to assume he'll go over 100mph at some points.
Splinter 12/4/2005 6:57:39 PM Pacific
Ok whoever thinks this is a motorbike has never ridden one. The frames do not lean into the corner for the turns. The actual footage shows a "chasis roll" away from the apex of the corner.
This is definitly a car!
Anon 12/5/2005 3:47:29 AM Pacific
Not to burst anyones bubble, but you can tell the sound is dubbed by the breaking. Pretty obvious. But still very cool. If anyone has not seen it yet, rent the Gumball 3000 video of the F1 driver taking a passenger around a track at full speed in a production Ferrari. It was the race a few years ago across the US. Amazing.
TomekPL 12/12/2005 6:21:06 PM Pacific
BMW films are very good too, but they are directed. But fun to watch em.
8 episodes, 6-8 minutes each, made by Guy Ritchie, Frankenheimmer, J. Woo ...
spoiler 12/18/2005 7:39:43 PM Pacific
As he approaches the Arc de Triomphe, a motorcycle zooms across the field of vision at an interesting rate of speed. As the film nears the end, a sidewalk pedestrian seen on the right is seen gesticulating very rapidly. Welcome to the world of speeded-up cinema, guys.
another-opinion 12/19/2005 9:55:54 AM Pacific
yet one more opinion to offer: Yes he appears to be passing cars somewhat slowly on the long straights. But how likely would other drivers ALSO be driving fast, in those conditions? (Early hours, empty & long straight streets - what are the odds!) If they're doing 80+ then he's probably doing 100+ when he passes them.
As to the rest of the debate, some good points raised (and do I agree about the sound not seeming quite right compared to the vid) but whatever the truth is we'll never know for sure - I just know it's great fun to watch.
my $0.02 --
another-opinion 12/19/2005 10:06:26 AM Pacific
whoops, yet another opinion to go with my opinion: I take back what I just wrote above - I watched it again: the cars he's passing, which I suggested could be doing 80+, consist of a Citroen 2CV, a Fiat 600, and other similarly SLOW-*SS CARS. I'm not sure either of the latter coult top 80mph, no matter how long a stretch of road to speed up on. So I'm no longer convinced it's real either. (But I never get tired of watching it!)
My Name is.... 1/12/2006 6:08:04 AM Pacific
You've only got to look at the speed of the indicators flashing to see it's not speeded up.
Martin 1/18/2006 10:09:01 PM Pacific
Great find - I haven't seen this since I watched the video tape about 10 years ago. If it is indeed a 275 (I guess people are still debating that), then people should know that it's very impressive driving. A Ferrari 275 is a beautiful car with a sweet v12 engine, but it's not a point and shoot car, and the suspension and steering are both relatively primative, even by the standards of the late 60s when the 275 GTB was produced, and certainly by the standards of today. To drive that car on that day for that period of time uninterupted was a unique combination of luck and skill. Perhaps the relatively primative nature of the steering and suspension causes people to think that's is a more akin to the ride of a merc. just a thought

thanks again for posting.

Steve 1/22/2006 3:58:25 AM Pacific
I'm a bit embarrassed to admit this, but I've been investigating this film. The length of the route is difficult to gauge accurately, but it's between 5.5 and 6 miles. The driving time of the film is about 8 minutes, which means the guy was averaging about 45mph.

It's just a very clever trick, aided by a dubbed soundtrack (possibly) and a low slung camera to enhance the feeling of speed.

President Leechman 1/30/2006 6:32:18 AM Pacific
Bah, humbug, rotten leeches, an average of 45 MPH through those streets is nothing to sneeze at.
Bennose 2/8/2006 3:20:16 PM Pacific
I agree with Steve. I have watched several different dubs of the film and honestly the car NEVER hits 140mph on even the longest straight. I'd say it toppped out at around 100mph. About a minute in, the "Ferrari" is on a long straight leading up to the ArcDe Triomphe. The engine is wailing but the car isn't. Even if you were pulling redline in third the car would be going faster than this. Past the Arc and another long straight. Notice the yellow car on the right, were in a screaming Ferrari but we dont pass the yellow car particularly quickly. At the end of this straight the car's doing maybe 100? Id' say this is the quickest it's going in the whole film. Another short straight then into a series of narrow streets. This is where the "Ferrari" turns into something else. The gearchanges and revs here just dont match up. The car is pulling 6 to 7 thousand rpm in third. Now even my old Holden 5L V8 Commodore would be doing over 100mph, what's a Ferrari going to be doing? From here the whole thing falls apart. The cheesy tyre squeals (sounds like the same one every time) and all the manic cog swapping. If there's a rumour that this was shot off a Mercedes then I think it's true. It'd be an automatic too (like most Merc's, they're cars for fat old men). Even with "Gyro" stabilising, the gearchanges would make the camera nod a bit, but it doesnt. If you watch it with the sound off, it's a quick drive through Paris but not a flat out, psychopathic, loony thrash. There's plenty of modern stuff where it's really mad (Ghost Rider for example) Nice old film, great legend but sadly FAAAAAAAAAAAKE.
dave 2/11/2006 6:26:25 AM Pacific
oops!!

http://www.geocities.com/oflint/index.html

shane 2/20/2006 8:26:21 AM Pacific
Anybody who knows anything about racing and overdubbing knows that there is no way that sound was overdubbed. Perhaps it was recorded independently of the picture, but it is definitely of that car doing those things at that time. No question.
HOLY CRAP! 3/2/2006 9:47:50 PM Pacific
if its so fake y does hey slip it back into 2 netural so easily and and auto wouldnt allow you to push the car 2 the rev limter anyway. this is a sick movie and if i had the money ( and the guts) i would do it in and enzo! P.S u got 2 remeber this is an old car not a Holden 5L
Ferrari Fã 3/7/2006 9:03:00 AM Pacific
I think that the car is not a 275 GTB ( 1964/6 ) with a 3200cc V12 but maybe , because the noise , a 308 GTB ( 1975) with a V8 , 3000cc.
Ferrari Fã 3/7/2006 9:35:24 AM Pacific
I think that the car is not a 275 GTB ( 1964/6 ) with a 3200cc V12 but maybe , because the noise , a 308 GTB ( 1975) with a V8 , 3000cc.
ridedream 3/9/2006 7:21:35 PM Pacific
High octane short film award... I still love it, even after watching it over and over... I love the sound of a Ferrari, love the driving, Paris scenes in the 70s, and I want to marry the driver.....Jill
projectgothem 3/9/2006 7:24:15 PM Pacific
i want to get a ferrari now .......or maybe a Lambergini......and ill trade in my bike.
Peter Clough 3/11/2006 7:00:34 AM Pacific
I have not been able to download from ANY of the link but have viewed on Castaways. Any further idea on how to download? I have ordered the DVD but doubt Region 2 PAL will play on my US laptop and I want to use this for presentations. Help appreciated.
nobody 3/19/2006 5:02:10 PM Pacific
The driver was no other than Jean-Louis Trintignant, who was a F1 Driver and became one of France's most famous actors after starring in Claude Lelouche's "Un Homme et une Femme" with Anouk Aimee. It was in a Ferrari, "questo e certo ragazzi!"
nobody (cont'd) 3/19/2006 5:25:13 PM Pacific
Errata: Jean-Louis did drive the car; he was a racing afficionado and his uncle Maurice Trintignat was the pro F1 driver
jerry tailor 3/23/2006 3:06:25 PM Pacific
I have seen various copies of this over the years. An ex Ferrari racer fromthe '60's watched it twice with me and pointed out the sound effects of tire squeels etc. There are places where it is sped up and you can see some pretty obvious flaws. Just enjoy it for what it is and what it was made for....entertainment. I expect that one day people will watch Star Wars videos and debate whether it was real or staged!!
Him 3/30/2006 1:25:29 AM Pacific
It was Claude lelouch driving Himself !
He was driving a Mercedes
http://www.axe-net.be/rdv/presentation.php

& never pass 180 km/h

Watch the movie & see itinéraire on
http://www.axe-net.be/rdv/

You will find all official information over this short movie.

TC 4/6/2006 8:34:04 AM Pacific
Here is a link to the video....http://www.shamozzle.com/onemorninginparis.html
Rummij 4/8/2006 2:46:08 AM Pacific
I think Lelouch's film is largely trickery but a truly incredible film nonetheless.

I have only just realised that it was a massive influence on the 1994 Roger Avary movie "Killing Zoe".

Avary's movie starts with a similar (yet far more obviously fake) driving sequence through Paris. The movie explores American perceptions of French culture, particularly French film.

Its theme seems to be that a lot of French film is based on a sort of highly irresponsible but nevertheless very charismatic trickery. Cue Lelouch!

But despite all of the trickery, simply dismissing it evidently has its own dangers.

The last shot of "Killing Zoe" has Parisienne character Zoe driving the American character Zed through Paris (very slowly!) in her clapped out Renault, after an insane day trapped in the middle of an ultra-violent bank robbery.

Her last line is, "Tomorrow, I show you the *real* Paris". Unfortunately they are spattered all over with fresh blood from the highly charismatic, but completely insane bank robber, Eric, who happens to be HIV positive. Judging by the movie's title, Zoe has been infected.

J.C. 4/8/2006 6:29:15 AM Pacific
Occam's Razor say's the simplest answer is probably the real one.

It's a 275GTB and nothing is faked. 35mm Arriflexes can have mikes put ANYWHERE to pickup sounds the director wishes...this is not Super 8 film or digital video we are dealing with here.

The driver may or may not be LaLouch, we DO see SOMEONE getting out of tjhe car and running to their wife or girlfiend in the end...someone who knew LaLouch well could tell.....

A 275 GTB(C) was 3rd overall and 1st in GT at Lemans 1965....

GTB's are NOT exactly normal road Ferrari's of the day. any one who thinks they "purr" has never been up close and personal, inside or out....

972 were built over 3 years. 12 were GTB(C)'s, alloy bodied competitizione specials with NO insulation / sound deadening, no bumpers / bumper flairs and a larger rear spoiler stretched from the aluminium. big flip off fuel filler caps....NART ended up with at least one of these at Sebring in '69 or '70. They were designed to beat the A.C. Cobra Daytona Coupes and be thus faster than the '62 - '64 GTO's....they were!!

The orginal wide high GTB nose produced lift, so a more "GTO" type nose was adapted. The GTB / 4 (dohc) was the last of the line, followed immediately by the 365 GTB4 "Daytona' a completely differant ca.

This was the last truely dual purpose Ferrari built to be raced and driven on the street.

J.C. 4/8/2006 6:48:47 AM Pacific
addenda: The 275 GTB had Independant Rear Suspension...very up to date for 1966. They varied through the production run as to how power was transmitted to the differential, 1st via a fixed shaft which required precise alignment to avoid horrible vibrations, then an articulated shaft with universal joints (better) and finally a torque tube.....

All this is well known to those who care to know...Ferrari Tifiosi!!

BTW- I attended Sebring and Daytona, 1964 - 1972, and am a native of Tampa, FL. , I'm 57 years old now and have read R&T since 1958.....

My all time favorite automobile is the 1967 Ferrari 330P4 Grp. 6 prototype sports racing car that took Daytona 1-2-3 in 1967....I was there, at the finish line!!

J.C.

J.C. 4/8/2006 7:01:47 AM Pacific
There is a very good route map available. Google it all.Some students used GPS to determine time / distance equations for each segment of the route anddeduced a total time distance result. Speed was about 80mph. Not all that fast, but not slow either!! The GTB rear ratio could be easily changed, lowest ratio gave a top of only about 120mph but very quick accelleration!! This was the hill climb ratio...being at heart a racing car a quick change rear end was part of the spec. Few people had lemans gearing (175+mph) in their road GTB's, most opted for 150 on top, which was an excellant compromise.....not many people would challenge you past THAT!!

J.C.

J.C. 4/9/2006 2:25:27 AM Pacific
Google: Rendezvous20_04.mov for a good, clean copy of the restored QuickTime movie, downloadable online.

A 34.4MB down load....

Have a blast!!

Argue about it to your hearts content.... (: !!

Jesse

CJ 4/12/2006 7:32:47 AM Pacific
im seeding a torrent if anyones wants to jump it :) torrent at top of page....
Gumball 4/17/2006 7:03:46 PM Pacific
Anyone watching this will realize it is a Ferrari 275. Being in film myself, nothing is sped up and you have to take into consideration the lens on the camera is very wide angle. Sound is awesome and being a Ferrari owner when you put your foot in them they don't purr! It is what it is... one of the most awesome 9 or so minutes of film. 1000' of 35mm film at 24fps is approximately 11 minutes of footage. Autophiles should cherish this film because it will not happen again.
Gumball 4/17/2006 7:08:11 PM Pacific
PS watch the straights and streetlights passing and you see he is definitely exceeding 120mph!
Lurklord 4/20/2006 3:50:24 PM Pacific
Wikipedia has an English translation of an interview with Claude Lelouch. But read only if you truly want to know. ;>

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=C%27était_un_rendez-vous&oldid=49337254

The original interview (in French naturellement:
http://www.axe-net.be/rdv/presentation.php

geoff 4/21/2006 8:57:15 AM Pacific
What an utter cunt. He should be made to run around a formula one race track blindfolded.
GhostLemur 4/27/2006 5:19:29 AM Pacific
For those of you who are confused the clip in question was NOT taken on a motorcycle. However a similar trip was made on a bike by a guy dubed Black Prince. A quick google, or search on your P2P of choice will bring it up. Both are grand. In Ghostrider's third dvd he actually did Black Prince's route and bet his time. Although in BP's defence Ghostrider did it in the evening when traffic was minimal compared to BP who did it during the day and had more than a couple of close calls in it.
Ferrari F430 4/27/2006 2:33:22 PM Pacific
The driving is nothing short of amazing! This is the best driving footage ever captured on film
Jesse Carroll 4/28/2006 8:00:52 AM Pacific
For a great interior sound recording (2MB mp3) file of a 1969 - 1970 N.A.R.T. Ferrari 312P Coupe lapping Lemans in about 3'30", see: <<a2ZRacer,Home>> The page's on Tony Adamowicz and his drives in this car. They were 5th OA (1st in 3 litre proto) at Lemans 1970...in the RAIN!!

The web page page is owned by a retired chief designer fo Dan Gurney's A.A.R., who Tony drove for at Indy when not in a N.A.R.T. Ferrari sports racer. There is also a lot about his 1971 drive in a N.A.R.T. 512M at Lemans (3rd OA). Beautifull pictures of both races and cars of these two years. A short .wmv movie of 512's and 917's at Lemans'71 is also on on Tony's page. There is a critique of the Penske Sunoco Kirk F. White blue and yellow 512M that was fast but fragile in 1971. The car I loved at Daytona and Sebring of that year, for being FASTER than the 917K's....but alas it WAs fragile.

At this point there is a side bar on making the "Lemans" movie by Steve McQueen...David Piper losing part of his leg in a horrific crash with the camera car and the 908 / 3 in race camera car, whic finished 6th but was not classified....heroric stuff1

At reduced revs for Lemans (9800rpm) the 312P's 3 litre ex-F- 1 engine sound uncannily like the 275GTB in "Etait" This was the last "uprigh"t 3 litre V-12 F-1 / sports racing engine from Ferrari, after a long history of 3 litre V-12's. In F-1 form it was good for 11,500 as driven by Chris Amon.
There were only 2 312P coupes built. both are valued at $9million today.

I hope the above is reliavant....the sounds really are quite simular to being identical. I've wondered if La Louch's 275 GTB was a 4 cammer, which would make it even closer to the 312P's engine, minus one of it's 3 valves.

Food for research??

J.C.

Jesse Carroll 4/28/2006 8:15:41 AM Pacific
BTW - a Blue 275 GTB/4 NART Spyder was raced at Sebring 1969, by women drivers, Either Donnna Mae Mimms or Denise McCluggage.....or BOTH!...memory fails...it was road stock, with mufflers as I remember, very quiet. They finished in the mid 'teens, OA,.....I think. a very lovely car....prettier than a 275GTS roadster by my lights.

Somebody might check my details on drives and finishing position...This is just off the top of my head, but it was the BEST of times (in the racingworld), inspite of 'Nam and all the other bad stuff going down...there was also Woodstock, for the very lucky of us.

J.C.

Age: 57 3/4

Just saw it 5/3/2006 7:59:14 AM Pacific
Pigeons don't fly that fast and tires don't squeal on the straightaway. It was brilliant art and advertising. I love the idea of people taking this seriously! The simple truth is that none of us has mounted a camera low to the ground and looked at how fast it seems. Especially with the enhanced dubbed sound. This is the art of film making and now I want to see his movies!
john 5/5/2006 4:03:27 PM Pacific
here are 2 exelent website related the same subject :
http://www.ferrari275gtbcompetition.com
http://www.ferrari-275gtb.com/
Der Kaiser 5/18/2006 7:12:23 PM Pacific
According to recent claims by Claude Lelouch (His production company is "Les Films 13), he was driving his own Mercedes in the film, and later dubbed over the sound of a Ferrari 275GTB to give the impression of much higher speeds. Calculations made by several independent groups using the film show that the car never exceeds 140 km/h (85 mph), which seems to lend credence to his recent comments. There are loads of photos on the web with his Benz and the camera on the front. All the people who think they know what they are talking about (i.e. it is a Ferrari blah blah), know nothing.
coldcarpaccio.com 6/18/2006 8:02:54 AM Pacific
I have always said that this film was fake.... havent seen it in years, but seem to remember that at some point the car miraculously has 6 gears, and also manages to take a 90deg right-hander in 3rd gear.... NOT A CHANCE !!

JB

melvyn harris 6/22/2006 9:15:27 PM Pacific
the man is a director.
he specializes in making things that aren't real seem real.
the audio may be that of a ferrari, but the car being driven is a merc.
this IS entertainment.
was it not fun to watch?
please appreciate it for what it is, and not what it claims to be.
i love this film.
c.Gibson 6/24/2006 6:24:39 AM Pacific
Love the film, how do I (in very simple terms) download it? It is a classic CG
Choppa 6/30/2006 8:58:23 PM Pacific
Congratulations to Lelouch!

To produce a 9 minute essentially home-made film that has people speculating about it 30 years later is a masterpiece. Regardless of the questions of speed and who was driving the car I challenge anybody to say that they weren't on the edge of their seat (the second time round).

Tristan 7/10/2006 6:13:09 PM Pacific
awsome flick of gt fangin thru streets of paris, what is the name of the film where can i D/L it ?
Oli 7/11/2006 10:07:01 AM Pacific
http://www.axe-net.be/rdv/making-off.php

This link explains it all (in French).

BOSS 429 9/5/2006 6:40:10 AM Pacific
i'd like to think its a ferrari
if it was an over-dubber mercedes, the sound was done real well, especially for '76
can even see the car slow when the driver misses gears twice and listen to the clunk up the gutter when the driver has to mount the kerb to overtake the parked truck
at no time in the soudtrack does the car have 6 gears, driver was just using 1st gear in slow corners
and the tyre squeel's pretty consistant with old scool cross ply tyres (i know, i've still got a set on one of my old cars)
If i had to guess i'd say Lelouch used his mercedes as a test mule for mounting the camera (hence the photo) and now claims to have used his car to get credit for the driving himself.
i have competion experience (off road rally, not street or circuit) and i'm not a film expert but when you see sped up footage it just doesn't "look" right, always something just a bit off
the effect of speed in this vid get a little distorted, i think, because of the wide angle, fish bowl lense used.

check out this link

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/Rendezvous.shtml

a group of people used local landmarks, boulavards and recongnisable restuarants and timed the distance travelled between them and produced a distance / time graph and a speed / time graph
interesting to look at
by their calcs the car averages between 80 and 90km/h over the course and peaks at 220km/h
which is about 136mp/h, bang on what they claimed when the movie was released.
interesting, check it out

http://hypertextbook.com/facts/2005/Rendezvous.shtml

BOSS 429 9/5/2006 7:00:44 AM Pacific
towars the end when the car is winding up through the tight streets with the high buildings you can hear the tone of the engine change to a deeper resonance ( like being in a tunnel)
hard to do in '76
Richard Symons 9/20/2006 10:08:49 AM Pacific
Jerry - it'd be great if you could give us a namecheck so folks could get to see the film on a decent quality DVD and maybe even buy it from us. We spent a shitload of time, money and a whole lot of love re-mastering it for the DVD release.

Rich
Spirit Level Film

Jerry Kindall 9/20/2006 2:35:41 PM Pacific
Indeed... the DVD is mentioned but not as prominently as it could be.
Magnus Dahlgren 10/31/2006 4:30:06 AM Pacific
Lelouch explains the shooting of the film: http://www.axe-net.be/rdv/presentation.php
A video where lelouch drives a similar car on the same route years later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHn5Q15kaIA&mode=related&search=
Tinfish 11/14/2006 11:17:51 AM Pacific
Hi guys.

Nice forum, great thread.

I just finished putting this edit together of the movie in question.
I wanted to try and make a music video using the footage, while at the
same time capturing the beauty and mystery of Paris (at that time of the morning;)

See what you think.

Best regards.

Tin

Link -
http://tinfishfilms.org/html/misc_videos.html

---

Dan 11/18/2006 4:54:28 AM Pacific
It's not a fake, though the car used for shooting the clip was a Mercedes. The sound of a Ferrari doing EXACTLY the same route at the same speeds was added later on. The reason why a Ferrari was not used in the first place was because the gyro-mounted camera could not absorbe the bumps of the stiff Ferrari suspension, the image would have been very jerky. The Mercedes used for the movie had hydropneumatic self-levelling suspension and it was driven by Lelouch himself.

So again, it is not a fake, the speeds are real, only exagerated by the low mounted wide angle camera, the sound is what a real Ferrari 275 GTB would do on the same route at that speed. Keep in mind that Ferraris at that time were not very powerful, this particular car had only 280HP. In reality the Mercedes 450 SEL used here was slightly more powerful than 275 GTB, and more difficult to drive fast because of the heavy weight, poor balance and soft suspension.

Enjoy the movie, be happy that nothing went wrong.

Jill 12/5/2006 2:13:08 PM Pacific
BTW gentlemen... The driver was definitely not a Formula 1 driver.. sloppy driving, plus no Formula 1 driver would risk losing his license - running through red lights, ec.
keith b 12/12/2006 8:03:04 AM Pacific
Ok guys, I need your input, I am thinking of making a short film called "Rendezous 2" which I hope will be promoted and leased through film festivals & cinema chains etc.
I won`t tell you where or when it is going to be made, as its just a idea at the moment, but I am looking to work with others who are interested in attemting such a project.
In return for your services I will offer a small percentage of the profits made through royalties in the films success instead of a wage.

Questions to you all:

1, Should I make this film with the authorities permission? (closing roads, paying liability insurance, hiring actors and equipment, working with the police etc)

2, If I make it illegally, will film distributors not touch it with a barge pole?

3, What car would you use? and why?

4, What would you add to the film to make it better than the original?

5, Should I make it with a product in mind? or a comedy element at the finish?

Whatmeworry 12/27/2006 6:58:13 AM Pacific
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcG9IznD_FE
Jean-Pierre 12/30/2006 11:27:12 PM Pacific
Keith b,

Please get a copy of Canonball by Broch Yates and give it a read. Times have changed since then and since Rendezvous. To recreate such a drive today has too high a potential for causing fatalities. This is why car-nuts appreciate the film so much...it is not repeatable for reasons the book I suggested will make clear. None of us who are skilled drivers and love the movie would dare try recreating it with the dramatic increase in cars on the road today. It would be too dangerous for other motorists, pedestrians and the law enforcement officers who would not be sleeping like those in Paris long ago.

If you do it legally you will need a fantastic story line, because the thing that makes Rendezvous so great is that it was illegal. Just set out to top Bullet, the French connection, The Rock, Gone in 60 seconds and similar films, have a huge budget and maybe you'll do well, but forget recreating Rendezvous it's not worth the lives you'll endanger. A last hint...Claude knew there is only one thing that would get a man to drive that manically, and she did look worth it. So, pick a HOT starlet for the female lead.

Jean-Pierre

mr sunseeker 2/18/2007 10:13:43 AM Pacific
have you guys never heard of GETAWAY IN STOCKHOLM - watch them especially 2,4 and 7 are classics.
J C L 2/20/2007 7:12:33 AM Pacific
LeLouche's interview reveals that the car was a 6.9 litre Merecedes. This car is capable of terrific speeds and was a favourite (for getting to and from races) with F1 drives of the day. He also revealed that he drove himself. It seems plausable but has anyone considered that he may have lied to protect the anonymity of this friend, the real driver? LeLouche did own a Ferrari 275 so it seems most likely that he would use his own car for the job. Also the suspension noise seems to coincide with the movement of the car and sounds like that of a racer (Ferrari?), not the over-engineered gas and air suspension of the huge 6.9. Lelouch also said that he had two pesonnel on board, hence a four seater would be required lending evidence to the 6.9 (but thoughts that the engine noise is a Ferrari 308 engine could mean that a Ferrari 308GT4 was used?); though would you want to drive like that with two other people on board? I think not, risking your own ife is one thing, but two passengers?
Tony Schmidt 3/15/2007 9:03:30 PM Pacific
Hi,

Seeking information on the 1967 Daytona 24-hours Ferrari 1-2-3 victory. I am working on a project and we need info regarding the last 30-45 seconds of this race: speed of vehicles, etc. There doesn't seem to be a lot of available information about this finish. I noticed that Jesse Carroll has an entry here (from 4/8/2006 6:48:47 AM Pacific) when he mentioned that he was actually at the finish line for this race. I would be very interested in talking with Jesse if anyone knows how to reach him?

Help on this would be greatly appreciated.

TS

Andrew 3/20/2007 10:31:20 PM Pacific
sorry to disappoint the ferrari fans, but the car used was a Mercedes Benz 450 SEL 6.9, with the sound of a ferrari dubbed over the footage.
Tony 3/23/2007 10:47:41 AM Pacific
My first thoughts were that it is dubbed and the car looks too slow. The interview with LeLouch says it was a Merc BUT I'm not sure I really believe him (he strikes me as a bit of a chancer so maybe this is just to continue the debate!). The more I look at it the more I am inclined to think it really is a Ferrari. Here's why:

Take a look at this video of a guy running a shifter kart on the street:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3761r15x2I

I race a kart and these karts are FAST and will reach 120 mph or more depending on the gearing but even here you don't get a sense of the speed as you overtake due to the wide angle but you do get it when the view is looking back.

How do you generate the sound of an engine under load, running thriough the gears and get it in time with a film? On a dyno? When this was made I don't think Playstation type technology was around to generate the sound. There's also a change of sound when they go into a tight space etc..

I WANT to believe some ace in a Ferrari did this even if it was a stupid thing to do. Given the traffic on the roads today I doubt it could ever be done again in Paris whatever time of day or night.

oliver 4/17/2007 12:52:19 AM Pacific
fantastic thread guys now i just want to watch it i saw about 20 secs of it on a cqar show once who cares i think everyone admires the film the fact everyone is argueing every single point shows that it is a masterpiece aplaude the guy and apreciate great cinemephotography

oliver

Malcolm Lambe 4/19/2007 1:23:52 AM Pacific
If you go to my site I have a heap of information on Rendezvous. My father had the Australian rights to this movie. I live in Paris. Yes its a 6.9 litre Mercedes driven by LeLouch with overdubbing and speeded-up footage. It's hilarious reading what all these experts are saying about it definitely being a Ferrari. I even have a photo of the camera mounted on the Benz.
tom 5/16/2007 10:54:29 AM Pacific
in actual fact thte car used was a mercedes!!!
Fred 5/17/2007 3:01:09 AM Pacific
I agree with Malcolm pretty hilarious how people are saying the car was a Ferrari, some even said a motorcycle! All this speculation is insane, as Lelouch has explained recently exactly how it was all done. I found a great post on Rendez-vous (link below). The post sheds light on the car- it was indeed a Mercedes but the sound of a Ferrari were used to overdub the soundtrack (probably why people are so confused about the car). Lelouch said he chose the Mercedes because it was a solid car to hold the camera rig (try mounting that one on a Ferrari!) and that the Merc had pneumatic suspension, which was better for filming.

The driver was Lelouch himself and had two camera operators riding with him. There is a photo of Lelouch with the mounted camera on his car, a full version of the actual film and documentary with Lelouch (although in French) where he is interviewed while driving the same Mercedes through the same course he had done for the famous movie.

Rendez-vous post

Malcolm Lambe, Paris 5/18/2007 5:40:47 AM Pacific
Hey Fred. Cool. I'm gonna check out your link. BTW. I have a short video on my site of myself driving a Benz through Paris - mounted the camera in Play-Doh on the dash of a W124 Model.
Fred 5/18/2007 9:46:35 AM Pacific
Oops! Looks like I had an extra slash at the end of the link. This one should work now...

Rendez-vous post

Llama0wn3d 5/23/2007 12:36:05 PM Pacific
Just so everyone knows, said film can be found on the Limewire p2p network under the search terms "Claude Lelouch" as a .avi file - that is a video file that requires the DivX player for playback. Just so everyone knows, i am not encouraging or condoning the use of p2p networks and their questionable legality, merely stating a fact, especially seeing as all the previously provided download links seem to generate 404 errors when i click on them!!!
Nikatreus 6/17/2007 11:28:26 AM Pacific
To overdub the soundtrack using the engine sound of a 275 GTB would not have been impossible, but a herculean task nonetheless. Easy, today, given the right CGI resources, but very difficult in 1976. Listen closely to the soundtrack. You will clearly hear the engine at various stages of load, concurrent with varying accelerator position/vehicle speeds. My bet is that it's the real McCoy.

Brian Grieve, you do NOT want to buy a 275 GTB... not unless (A) you can afford twice it's initial cost in replacement parts (and trust me, you can't) and (B) you know a mechanic good enough to balance six pairs of downdraught Weber carbs!

Stay cool...

GARY 6/28/2007 2:06:18 PM Pacific
I HAVE A BAD COPY OF THIS BONZAI RUN. GOT IT IN 1997 I SHOW IT TODAY TO MY FRIENDS MUST HAVE RUN 18 RED LIGHTS OR MORE NEVER REALLY COUNTED THE NUMBER THE MOVIE IS TO INTENSE
g.b. 6/28/2007 2:08:59 PM Pacific
I WATCHED THIS ON A 60 INCH PLASMA SCREEN WHAT A RUSH NEED IT IN HI-DEF
HW 7/13/2007 1:25:47 PM Pacific
Bad movie because of the stupid overlayed soundtrack. Sounds terrible - doesn't fit the picture at all.
Btw, picture of the Mercedes rigged with the camera:

http://www.geocities.com/oflint/Mercedes_not_Ferrari.jpg

john 8/15/2007 10:07:37 AM Pacific
can i just ask why non of u car fans have never looked into it,it wasnt a ferrari but actually a merc sel that it was done with then dubbed over.proof is on the tv show 10 best car chases with number 1 was bullett.
Kernimal 9/30/2007 3:19:14 PM Pacific
I recently bought over 1,000 films on 16mm film reels from a local school. All are nearly like new due to the care and professional storage they received. Being a film enthusiast, I am watching every one of them and selling several on eBay... This Rendevous film was in the mix as I discovered last night - I was blown away - Never heard of it... Did a little research and found this discussion board with more info... Crazy... I can't figure why an elementary school had this film to begin with, but it's mine now! Quite a thrilling short film and I am guessing quite rare to have it on 16mm film.
Manuel 10/9/2007 8:00:27 AM Pacific
Check the "making of" with lelouch himself 20 years later: the car is indeed a Mercedes saloon.
Bonux 10/22/2007 9:50:58 PM Pacific
"ps. shifting gears not laigned with motion of car"

This is because Claude Lelouch used his own Mercedes 450, 6.9L, V8 instead of his Ferrari 275 GTB. Better wreck the Merc I guess. Yes the noise of the engine was overdubbed, good on him it makes it adds to the tension. What I love most in this short movie is the location and the trip back to the 70s, better than Michael J Fox Mister Lelouch.

speederx 1/6/2008 2:37:10 PM Pacific
yep it was a mercades...it was on 5th gear a couple months ago..they tried to recreate it this year but the traffic was too much and took a much longer time! great clip though!
Lauro 1/14/2008 5:36:26 PM Pacific
Any chance to see a release in High-Definition (Blue Ray, please) ?
F. Neal Runnels 5/19/2008 9:55:38 AM Pacific
Jerry, can you tell me how I might purchase a DVD of the "Rendevous" ? I seem to have lost the copy I have had for some few years , in moving in and out of our home during re-construction. I don't remember if the original was VHS or DVD, but I obviously would prefer the DVD. Thanks for you help and direction. -Neal Runnels
Jerry Kindall 5/19/2008 6:52:45 PM Pacific
If you click the "available on DVD" link at the top of the article, it goes to Amazon, where you can buy the DVD. (I get a cut.)
John Mc Donnell 10/3/2008 6:42:00 AM Pacific
When I first saw the movie I presumed it was a Ferrari 275GTB with a pro driver (and yes, I didin't think it was that fast either),now I find out the truth. What a let down as the movie is really about the professional way the sound track was dubbed! It's pity Claude Lelouch wasn't honest because it's a great movie otherwise.
Hope somebody gets a V12 motor from the 60's or 70's with a pro driver and actually does it in some city(with several look out's and working communications), I don't think it would be possible to do it in Paris now at anytime of the night. How about Rome? The Italians would understand and maybe not even notice!
Steve Conlon 10/24/2008 2:33:23 PM Pacific
Among the best urban car footage commmitted to film. Should be released on DVD.
Steve Conlon 10/24/2008 2:33:29 PM Pacific
Among the best urban car footage commmitted to film. Should be released on DVD.
hellequin 12/1/2008 9:28:39 AM Pacific
... Clip can be seen on http://vivendum.moonfruit.com/#/video11rendezvous/4532134581 - site under construction - or at least, in the throws of being put together. But also other interesting videos here to be seen...
colquhog 6/7/2009 8:55:41 AM Pacific
Great discussion everyone. One of the classic short films of all time in my opinion. Everyone I've shown this to has sat on the edge of their seat, speechless throughout. In a world where people sue over slippery pavements and passive smoking it's easy to see the why this movie has enduring appeal. It's real (all right - the sound was dubbed), it's risky, it's not done "under controlled conditions", it's not digitally enhanced, it's impossible to replicate 30+ years on, and it has a very simple plot (guy late, drives like maniac, meets girl, all forgiven). Hope people are still talking about this film in another 30 years.
Andrew Lydon 3/6/2010 1:44:35 PM Pacific
At first, I was hugely impressed. At that first sweep you see the junction approaching and the other traffic, and the driver does not back off. He knows there is going to be room to overtake, and he does.

The driver is fast, but not dangerous. He knowns what to look out for. The soundtrack is glorious. 2nd gear, full throttle, accelerating. But waydaminit.... that would be 50mph+ for starters! How the hell does he get to fifth gear at 4000 rpm and only just crawl past the other traffic? I started to get an uneasy fealing, counting the gear changes, listening to the revs and realisting the SOUND does not match the ACTION. No way.

The SOUND implies proper speed, maybe 140mph, but the video implies only about 70mph maximum. (Both guesses simply based on my own track experience). A few minutes of research would confirm it.

Huge disapointment to realse it is a kind of fake. Now I find it best to watch the video without sound and listen to the sound without the video.

I agree with John McDonnell. Someone should do this for real.

J Bevis 9/11/2010 5:44:34 PM Pacific
Having watched it a few times now, im pretty sure its legit... I know its only my opinion but the sound seems to fit, the motion of the vehicle all seem to fit. With regards to engine sound to video footage, dont forget its a damn old car and the engine revs to gear ratios where completely different to modern days. Most of it is on cobbled streets, so there would be one hell of a lot of tyre noise around corners. Theres no actual proof to what vehicle it was but if it where the car of the supposed racin driver, i cant imagine it would have been a standard road vehicle either.
J Bevis 9/11/2010 5:45:27 PM Pacific
Sounds an awful lot like a track prepared 275gtb as well...

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